How to unlock your Mac’s potential and play all the games you want

It’s so common to hear Macs suck for gaming. “There’re no games to play!”they say all the time! But the real problem isn’t trolls saying this. What bothers me is that most people (and even some Mac users) believe Mac gaming is non-existent too! Well, this guide is meant to clear things up. Macs are perfectly capable gaming machines, if you know how to use them. You will be surprised with all the ways you can use your Mac to play pretty much every PC-games out there.

In this guide, we will cover all the methods available to play games on your Mac, from the easiest, better known methods, to the more “obscure”, yet highly efficient ones. I will cover:

  1. Playing native Mac games on your Mac
  2. Playing PC games with Bootcamp
  3. Playing PC games using virtualization software
  4. Playing PC games using a wrapper (Wine)

Let’s get down to it!

 

1. Playing native Mac games on your Mac

Mac games native

It can’t get easier than this… Plug and play!

This one is quite obvious, but I did say I would cover all methods! The easiest way to play a game on your Mac is with native Mac games.

Simply put, this means the game was created and coded to work on Mac OS X, out of the box. No tweaking required. You just need to:

  1. Get the game
  2. Install it
  3. Play!

Native Mac games can be either coded during the game’s development or afterwards.
To give you an example, Blizzard will work on both a PC and a Mac version of their games from the get go. This is why they always release PC and Mac versions of their games at the same time.

In most cases though, games are ported to the Mac afterwards. They are usually released on the PC first and then the game is translated to work on the Mac. This is either done by the game’s developer (like ArenaNet did with Guild Wars 2), or by Third-party companies which specialise on  porting games to the Mac. The main two Mac porting companies are Feral Interactive and Aspyr.

 

Are there really many Mac games?

In spite of popular belief, there’s a ton of great games available for the Mac! You have hundreds available today, including heavy-hitters such as StarCraft 2, Civilization V, Call of Duty games, Borderlands 2 and more. Every year, more and more games come to the Mac. You can see a very detailed infographic about this, from my most popular post: The State of Mac Gaming. Still not convinced? Just check Mac Gamer HQ’s older posts and see all the game announcements happening all the time!

 

Where to get them?

Some people still think you can only find Mac games in obscure stores. This couldn’t be further from the truth. You can buy hundreds of Mac games from the comfort of your home thanks to the many internet stores out there.

Don’t know what to get next? Check our Top 75 Mac Games resource page for the best Mac Games available.

Here are the most popular stores offering Mac games:

Steam: Steam not only offers thousands of PC-games for digital download, they also offer but hundreds of Mac games too! Some of these games are even Steam-enabled, meaning you buy them once but get both PC and Mac versions. Some Steam-play enabled games also include cross-platform multiplayer between Mac and PC!

Mac App Store: Apple’s Mac App Store is also a great place to find hundreds of Mac games. Mac App Store’s games also include Game Center support, giving you leaderboards, achievements and more.

Mac Game Store: This one is a Mac-exclusive digital game store. I really like the presentation and information they have for every single game they offer. Good store.

GOG.com: Last but not least, GOG.com is different from the rest. They offer both PC and Mac games too but they focus on older games. If you like old-school games such as System Shock or the original SimCity, this is the place to shop!

Benefits

  • Easiest solution: works out of the box
  • Performance is usually optimized
  • You support Mac gaming

Drawbacks

  • Some games can be more expensive on Mac (compared to PC)
  • Smaller selection compared to PCs
  • Several high-profile games don’t make it to the Mac

 

2. Playing PC games with Bootcamp

Mac Games BootCampBut even if more and more games are released on the Mac, some high-profile PC-games just won’t make it to the Mac. Ever. What if you want to play Crysis 3 or Dishonored?

Do not worry, all is not lost. The Mac offers many, many methods to play pretty much every PC-game available today. Let’s talk about the easiest one: BootCamp.

What is BootCamp?

Boot Camp is a free utility that allows you to install and run the Windows Operating system.  Once Windows is installed on your Mac’s hard drive, you can restart your machine and use either either Mac OS X or Windows. It may force you to restart your Mac every time you want to play a Windows game, but BootCamp lets you run Windows natively. This is why many Mac gamers chose this method: there’s no virtualization or emulation involved. You Mac runs Windows using all it’s power, just like any other PC. The bottom line, BootCamp will give you the best performance possible, which is why it is the best way to play high-performance games.

How to install it?

BootCamp is very straightforward. You just need to open the BootCamp application in your Utilities folder and follow the assistant:

BootCamp install

You can check Apple’s support page for FAQs and guides on how to install and use BootCamp.

Benefits

  • BootCamp gives you access to all PC-games out there
  • Straight-forward method (if you are familiar to Windows)
  • You get the best performance possible

Drawbacks

  • Unpractical (you need to restart your Mac just to play a game)
  • Only works on Intel-Macs
  • Requires a Windows license
  • Requires lots of hard-drive space (for the Windows installation and its games)

 

3. Playing PC games using Virtualization software

Mac games using ParallelsFor those who find BootCamp tedious and just don’t want to have to reboot in order play a game, Virtualization software can be a good option. You have two main virtualization solutions in the market: Parallels and VMware Fusion.

As most tests and benchmarks found Parallels to offer better performance for games, we will focus on Parallels only.

 

Using Parallels

Parallels allows you to install Windows on your Mac too (or even use your BootCamp installation if you have it) but it offers something BootCamp can’t: You can have both Mac OS X and Windows running at the same time! With Virtualization, you can run two (or more!) operating systems at the same time. As a gamer, you can be using OS X  for all your everyday activities, but also have Windows 7 running at the same time for occasional gaming. Overall, you have most of the benefits of Boot Camp but without the need to restart your Mac. Is it a perfect solution? No, it also has some drawbacks, including a performance decrease (your Mac needs to run two operating systems at the same time!)

Mac games using Parallels

Rocking Mountain Lion and Windows 7 simultaneously!

Benefits

  • Parallels gives you access to all PC-games out there too
  • Straight-forward method (if you are familiar to Windows)
  • Practical: You don’t need to reboot to use Windows
  • Allows you to use Mac and Windows apps at the same time

Drawbacks

  • Requires a Parallels license (costs $110.97!)
  • Requires a Windows license
  • Requires lots of hard-drive space (for the Windows installation and its games)
  • Hurts graphics-performance significantly (modern games will suffer a lot)

 

4. Playing PC games using a Wrapper

Wine logo

For those who still want to play PC games but do not want to have to deal with Windows (and pay for it!), one last method exists: using a Wrapper . In this guide, we will focus on Wine.

What is Wine?

According to Cult of Mac’s tutorial:

Wine actually runs as more of a translator between the instructions in the PC program and the Mac operating system. It basically fools Windows into thinking they are running in a Windows environment, without actually emulating that environment (and taking the same performance hit) like Parallels does. Wine has the benefit of a large, open-source community for support as well, which means it will continue to get better and improve compatibility for a lot of games along the way.

For a complete guide on how tu use Wine, check out Cult of Mac’s great tutorial here.

Benefits

  • Wine gives you access to most PC-games
  • Doesn’t require a Windows license (or any other paying software)
  • Doesn’t require you to use Windows at all
  • Practical: You don’t need to reboot to play PC-games

Drawbacks

  • The most complex method of all
  • Requires a lot of tweaking
  • Not all PC-games will work
  • Performance will not be as high as with BootCamp

 

Your turn

Hopefully, after these almost 7000 words, you are a believer. There are many ways to play games on your Mac. When you know this, your Mac truly becomes a more than capable gaming machine.

However, when it comes to gaming, the “it just works” isn’t accurate. You have to read on, investigate and decide what is the best solution for you.

I cannot tell you which one is the best, because it depends on you: How often you want to play PC-games? Does it bother you a lot to have to reboot? Are you willing to pay for Windows licenses or third-party software?

For me, BootCamp with Parallels work wonders. I only use BootCamp when I know I will play a high-performance game for a couple of hours. The rest of the time I use Parallels (which I configured to use the same partition as BootCamp) to install games, tweak them or play light games without having to leave my precious Mac OS X. :)

Now I’m going to ask you 2 things:

  1. Tell me in the comments what method do you use
  2. Share this guide with all your friends who think Macs can’t play games 😉
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  • http://gravatar.com/iomek iomek

    …or build a hackintosh I suppose. 😀 I’m starting to lean towards that option, mainly because I don’t want to have to install a huge partition of Windows via Bootcamp on my Mac. You still have to use the slower more ancient OpenGL, but at least you can use a monster graphics card.

    • http://macgamerhq.com Ric Molina

      Well you know I love Hackintoshs so I can only agree with you there 😉 Technically I wouldn’t call Hackintosh a different “method” to play games, but more of a special kind of Mac. For example, with my Hackinstosh, I still use the combination Windows (ok, you don’t need BootCamp but it’s the same principle) + Parallels.
      The biggest advantage of a Hackintosh for gaming over most Macs is that you can easily upgrade it and put monster Graphics cards indeed. The main advantage over a Mac Pro is the price….
      Go for it, but only if you don’t mind some tweaking (the initial setup is not always hassle free)!

      What Mac are you currently using?

      • http://gravatar.com/iomek iomek

        I’m using an early 2011 2.2GHz i7 15″ Macbook Pro with a AMD Radeon HD 6750M, Scorpio Black 750GB WD and 16 GB of RAM. I’m also hooked up to a 30″ Cinema Display. I’m mainly looking at a hackintosh now, because like you said, the price is much more affordable. And you can upgrade more easily.

        Not to mention, I just started play Heart of the Swarm, and I’m very saddened by the performance under Mountain Lion. I’m still considering a Windows 8 Bootcamp partition for a stop-gap measure though, seeing as how Wineskins are buggy and VMs are too sluggish for me. Perhaps retina displays will nudge Apple into improving their graphics engine and cause them to implement better graphics cards.

        • http://macgamerhq.com Ric Molina

          I plan on getting Heart of the Swarm this week end, I will let you know how it runs on my Hackintosh :)

          BTW, nice rig you have there!

          • http://gravatar.com/iomek iomek

            Thanks! I still wish it had a better graphics card, but I think it will last me awhile.

            Heart of the Swarm is so awesome! Blizzard really stepped it up this time. It’s definitely way more fun and interesting than Wings of Liberty. I only wish the campaign was a little longer.

          • http://macgamerhq.com Ric Molina

            We will have to play Heart of the Swarm one of these days thenlol, BTW, I tried to reach you by mail but the address didn’t work, can you send it through the “contact” page?

            Cheers man!

  • Pavel

    > Requires a Parallels license (costs $110.97!)

    Where did the cost come from?

    Normally it costs $79.99, right now – $64.99.

    • http://macgamerhq.com Ric Molina

      Hi Pavel, the price comes from the website actually at buy.parallels.com… Unless they change the price for each country (even if I ask to have a price on dollars) – I’m in France

  • http://gravatar.com/markgregory1985 MGregory666

    Bootcamp all the way for me. Everything else is just to long and complicated. Playing games is meant to be fun and “easy” why I always try to find the game on OSX first if not Bootcamp will suffice.

    • http://macgamerhq.com Ric Molina

      I have to agree on that, gaming is supposed to be about having fun :) and BootCamp also gives you the most performance you can get…. It’s also my number one source when the game doesn’t exist on Mac and I know I’ll play for a while.
      Thanks for the comment!

  • http://gravatar.com/ikir ikir

    Mac only for me, sometimes I use Crossover which is getting better and better :) IMHO every user who rely on Bootcamp should bother the game developer for a OS X version 😉

    • http://macgamerhq.com Ric Molina

      We just need to get their personal cellphone numbers and start harassing them for more games on the Mac 😉
      How well does Crossover work for you? Haven’t really tried it myself…

  • Eric Carter

    Thanks a lot for the article. It really helped a lot.

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Always a pleasure! I think most people don’t know about this, which is one of the reasons Mac gaming struggles to gain more interest….

  • Ryan Williams

    Where do I get a windows license? How much does it cost and is there a preferred license?

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Well, you can find the Windows license pretty much everywhere. To give you an example, Amazon here has all the Windows versions you can imagine: http://www.amazon.com/microsoft-windows-7-8-software/b?ie=UTF8&node=1286119011
      To give you an example of the costs, a Windows 7 home premium will cost you around 170$, which is pretty expensive just to play games, I agree…. But it can also serve you with Bootcamp.

  • Tim Race

    I’m looking into getting a MacBook Pro to replace my laptop. I would like to be able to play games like Battlefield 3 and Call of Duty but I don’t know I’d it would work well. What Mac laptop do you suggest to surf, do school work, and play games?

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Hey Tim, a MacBook Pro is a pretty good choice, they are great all-around machines.
      Regarding which one, man that’s a hard one, as I would basically say “get the most expensive one” but not everybody has an unlimited Mac budget!
      Focus on the graphics card, you can get a “standard” 15 inch MacBook Pro and bump up the graphics card on the Apple Store website, that should help you run games faster :)

  • Robby

    Hey, I have a MacBook Pro, and want to play PC games, but don’t know the “best” and least expensive way. I already have parallels, and it came with windows 8, however quality does suffer. Would I be better getting Windows 7, or getting 16 GB of RAM for parallels? Thanks!
    P.S. I don’t plan on playing too many games, mostly PlanestSide 2 and possibly Star Wars the Old Republic. These games can be heavy-hitters on a pc, so Parallels with only 4 GB of RAM isn’t an option.

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      What I did was to use BootCamp to install Windows and then use that BootCamp installation to use Parallels when needed.
      In your case, use your Windows copy and install it with BootCamp. That should give you the best performance.
      If restarting your Mac each time annoys you, than you can buy Parallels and during setup, chose that same BootCamp partition.

      Try to optimize the software before buying more RAM. If Bootcamp + Parallels still give you crappy performance, than upgrade the RAM.
      In any case, Parallels will hurt your performance…

      • Robby

        I used the free Windows 8 file that now comes with Parallels 8. I run Lion, so I don’t think I can run Windows 8, however, if I upgrade to Mountain Lion, can I somehow obtain the ISO file from the Windows 8 copy? Thanks!

        • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

          Check out this FAQ on using Bootcamp with Windows 8. You will probably find everything you need 😉 If not let us know, perhaps someone around has managed to solve a similar problem!

  • Dan Hayward

    Hi – I chose the bootcamp option prior to reading this post so am pleased it is a ‘known’ or even ‘common’ way of accessing the many brilliant titles out there on a Mac.

    However, having successfully played a good few games on my boot-camped version of windows to date, I have recently come across a problem with BioShock Infinite.

    I was going great guns on this game until I got to the loading screen of one specific level (Plaza of Zeal) and it simply hangs. No music, no movement, no cursor – just plane stuck.

    I trawled the internet for solutions, and tried a good few, but I could only find those that related to people that have altered there .ini files etc – needless to say I haven’t (I’m not that smart!).

    I also updated my graphics card, validated the game files through steam and a few other bits and bobs – all to no avail.

    As a last ditch attempt to get the game going again (and relinquish the sense of guilt I now have over buying the game in the first place!), I approached 2K Gaming support for help. This proved futile as all they were able to tell me, in a nice but totally unhelpful way, was “you’re running it on a Mac right?”. “Yes” I said. “We don’t support Mac’s”. [End of conversation].

    No help coming from there then.

    So – long story short time – can you offer any advice for troubleshooting this issue? Surely there is something I can do to revive my game and get it past this seemingly troublesome level? Considering I have been playing this game issue free for a good many hours so far, I refuse to believe it is solely related to the fact I am running it on a Mac!

    Any ideas/help/advice welcome!

    Thanks

    Dan

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Hey Dan, I’m still waiting for BioShock Infinite to come on the Mac so I cannot help you “directly” with this problem.
      In my opinion you have 2 solutions and I would do them on this order:
      1. Find the most detailed guide possible on how to modify those .ini files (which can be intimidating but not THAT hard once you give it a shot)

      2. Contact 2K again and not say you are running it on a Mac. Probably they think you mean Mac OS X. But you are using Windows and Macs using Windows through Bootcamp natively, the same way a Dell would.
      Tell them your Windows version, Graphics card model and software version and that’s it.
      Don’t even mention you are on a Mac. Why bother trying to explain the whole thing when you are running the game natively just as everyone else!

      • Dan Hayward

        Thanks for the advice Mac Gamer Ric – I will take a look at the ini files again then to see if there is anything that can be fixed that way.

        On the last point, which is a good one, I didn’t tell them anything about the fact I was running the game on a Mac partition as I thought exactly the same thing – why waste the time trying to explain it? Sadly they asked me to send in my dxdiag and config32 files and I think they got it from there.

        This is my concern – I don’t think they even tried to resolve the problem. They just saw it was a Mac and replied accordingly. Really frustrated with that approach.

        So now my options are to either give it up as a lost cause and wave goodbye to my dosh or, wait for it to come out on Mac in a few days and start all over again – neither are appealing to me to be honest!

        Any further suggestions/advice most welcome!!

        • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

          Damn, they put you on a though spot there. You should really try the .ini files hacking, something tells me it shouldn’t be that hard. Otherwise you will have to “fight” with them and make your point that the Mac is running Windows natively so they have to support it (explaining you meet the Windows minimum requirements too).

          Last thing would be to start all over again on Mac. The game is coming out tomorrow and is Steam-play enabled so you don’t need to buy it again 😉

  • Aden

    I like to get a Mac for school. However, I like to use the Mac as a gaming laptop. But in the previous comment it looks like it will be frustrating to play PC games in bootcamp?

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      The ideal would be to play mostly native games on the Mac, with no Bootcamp needed….
      In all honesty, once Bootcamp is set up, it is as straightforward as simply restarting a computer.

      • Aden

        If it is easy y is the previous commenter having a lot of problems
        ?

        • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

          Dan is having a lot of problems because his BioShock Infinite is messing around…. That’s more an exception than a rule…

          • Aden

            If I run bootcamp in Mac it will work like an ordinary windows pc?

            What do u think it is the suggested memory for both windows and Mac OS X

          • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

            That’s the seliing point mate. At the end a Mac is a PC, it uses the same components as a Dell or whatever and it can run Windows nately, so yes it is really the same.
            The only thing is that the drivers come from Apple and can sometimes be slightly old.

            I would suggest at least 4gigs RAM in any case, the more the better… Are you picking up a Macbook or iMac?

          • Aden

            I’m want to get a MacBook Pro

            What is your suggested hard drive size for both windows and OS X

          • Aden

            Is it possible if you could give me you email address and I could talk to you further by emailing you rather than in the comment section

          • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

            Sure, you can get in touch with me through the contact form here: http://www.macgamerhq.com/contact/

  • Nawmi

    This is totally out of topic…but i downloaded Counterstrike: GO for my Mac. I played it using steam for a few days. And then this new armsdeal update for the game came and after updating I cant play the game anymore! If i start it, it crashes on the first page. Any solution to this problem?

    P.S. I have tried deleting and restoring it from backup, I tried downloading the game again, I tried verifying integrity of cache!

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Wow, very specific problem you got there. I am sorry to say I haven’t played CS on Mac so I won’t be of much use. I did have a similar problem with another game and I honestly tried everything and never found a solution The game wasn’t that interesting so I left it to rot on my Steam library…. Sorry!

  • Nosferatu

    Bootcamp only gets interesting on a Mac Pro with a spare hard drive. Since High End gaming requires a rig like the Mac Pro anyway, that’s the solution I use. I am more interested in Wine though, didn’t know that one.

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      You would be surprised with how good the latest iMacs can be. In some cases they are faster than current Mac Pros (which is understandable given their age).
      Wine is very interesting indeed but damn tricky, I don’t like spending too much time messing around with that.

      • Nosferatu

        I know I was considering the new iMac 27″, but I wasn’t sure if the 680MX was gonna give the same performance as the EVGA GTX 680.
        I just bought the EVGA card for my Mac Pro before hearing about the upcoming new Mac Pro, which would not support component upgrades. I am even considering upgrading my 2 Xeon processors instead of waiting how the new Pro is gonna turn out.

        • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

          I have to agree with you on that, a GTX 680 is of course better for gaming than a “mobile” version of the same card.
          Having said that, when you take into account the price of an iMac Vs a Mac Pro, it really changes the whole thing, as getting even an older Mac Pro + a GTX 680 will be a hell of a lot more expensive than a top of the line iMac for perhaps 10% more performance while playing games.
          This is of course no scientific analysis but you get the point 😉

          • Guest

            I got an older (2010) Mac Pro + GTX 680.
            Unlike the iMac, with the (old) Mac Pro you can just get the base version and still upgrade it with (cheaper) market components like GPU, RAM, CPU.
            Basically I do what I used to do with my PCs, LOL!

          • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

            Exactly! Is like buying RAM through Apple or Sony or whomever for that matter, it’s always better to buy that yourself. I love how the Mac Pros are almost as flexible as a Windows Tower!

  • Reuben Tor

    I’ve played tonnes of video games, both Mac native games and PC games via Bootcamp.

    Asphalt 6 (Mac)
    Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood (Mac)
    Assassin’s Creed Revelations (Windows)
    Batman Arkham Asylum (Mac)
    Batman Arkham City (Mac)
    Borderlands (Windows)
    Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (Mac)
    Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Windows)
    Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (Windows)
    Call of Duty: Black Ops (Windows)
    Deus Ex: Human Revolution (Mac)
    Fifa 12 (Windows)
    Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (Windows)
    Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (Mac)
    Prototype (Windows)
    Prototype 2 (Windows)
    The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Windows)
    Sleeping Dogs (Windows)

    Thats all I can think of for now. Cheers! (:

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      You got some pretty awesome games there!
      What was your experience playing Native Mac games? Performance wise?

    • Reetro

      mine…..iMac Late 2012, 8Gig RAM,1TB HD
      1.F1 2013
      2.Borderlands 2
      3.Bioshock Infinite
      4.Amnesia War Pigs
      5.Max Payne 3
      6.Modern Warfare 3,
      7.Tomb Raider 2013,
      8.Black Ops
      9.Dead Island
      10.Goat Simulator,
      11.GTA 4,
      12.Omerta,
      13.Spec Ops
      14.XCOM Elite Edition

      No Bootcamp & Parallels..100% Mac
      Enjoyed it so far…..

      • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

        Nice games there, but I see you put GTA 4 there, that can’t be 100% Mac.. Unless you found a wrapper for it?

        • Reetro

          got that game from verified torrent..but i deleted it last week due to lag..maybe you need a Mac Pro or something,its was just unplayable with my iMac

          • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

            It will depend mostly on the graphics card of your iMac man, what iMac is it?

  • Raymond Mcfarlane

    I have used Boot camp since I got my late 2011 macbook pro successfully. I upgraded to full 8gigs ram increased hd to 750g 7200pm ( I plan on getting a hybrid later on for increased speed ) and have had no problems with the games I play. I use boot champ which I got from the hackstore ( which is perfectly legal open source type mac tweaks ) which will automaticaly reboot me into windows form mac os. I like the fact that I can get the latest catalyst drivers for my radeon 6750m if you know how to install them properly. The games I play are mostly 3rd person shooters like Dead Space and Mass Effect and they run great with full settings, Dishonoured and Crysis 2,3 whoa not so much, you have to tone down the settings significantly. I used wine to translate windows in unbunto but I had no idea it did the same for mac. I heard of parallels but I am not forking out $110 cash when I have no extra charge solutions at my finger tips.

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Sounds like you know what you’re doing! I’m honestly not surprised Crysis 2 and 3 and the like struggle in a 2011 MacBook Pro. They are extremely demanding after all and would struggle on most laptop PCs too…

      I use Parallels but I have to agree $100 is a lot just to play games when you don’t want to boot into Windows. I think Native + Bootcamp is plenty already!

  • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

    Hey man, I hope you got my email with my answer. Basically, I would suggest using Bootcamp and try to install the games again. Bootcamp is generally more stable than Parallels, which should give you a better chance of success!

  • Liam Mulcahy

    For bootcamp it says it has no emulation but bootcamp emulates windows

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Bootcamp allows you to install Windows. Once it’s installed, you can run Windows natively. That’s why I say it doesn’t emulate it but just runs it as any other PC.

  • Brandon Hedrick

    Hey man I want you realize I’m explaining this on a very basic level so its not super complex. Apple uses openCL framework to support 3d games. Windows uses Direct x11.x. When you install Windows via bootcamp you will be able to play any Directx11 game because you are running windows. Also yes technically a GT750M will run BT4 but you will struggle to run it at higher (maybe even medium settings) without sacrificing resolution. Hope this helpes

  • Raymond Mcfarlane

    You could also try using game booster from the razor site as it turns off several windows settings when you play your games in order to give them even more resources. It won’t be the same as having a monster vid card but will probably give a few more fps.

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Good comment! I used to do that. Honestly, I don’t know how much it helped but it will sure improve performance, at least a little bit! Thanks for the tip!

    • Th3taJ

      Oh that’s awesome! Thank for the info Ray!

  • Jess DeTata

    OK I know nothing about computers so please bare with me. I just bought the brand new top of the line most expensive Macbook Pro. I am currently deployed overseas right now and on my off time it gets horribly boring out here. I want to start playing games on it… Alot of people are telling me running windows is just a bad idea and that it could mess my macbook up. someone just clarify this for me. i want to start playing games but dont know if i should get windows. remember im an idiot when it comes to computers.

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Hey Jess, don’t worry man, we all started like you, not knowing much about Macs.
      2 points that I need to clarify:

      – Start slow, start easy, get a couple of games which work natively on Mac. That way you don’t have to worry about windows at all. It’s also the easiest way to install them and make them work. Just google Steam Mac and you will find more than you could ever want!

      – Installing Windows using Bootcamp will not mess up your Mac (but it will introduce bugs and issues common to windows, nothing major though..)

      Good luck!

  • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

    Yep, that’s the main drawback of virtualization… Sometimes it’s just a pain to make it work and demands lots of tinkering…. If you’re not comfortable with that, I suggest Native first, Bootcamp second…

  • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

    That’s great, Brandon already said everything I could have said…. Just to summarize:
    – Windows uses DirectX (and only Windows can)
    – Mac OSX uses OpenGL (as DirectX is not compatible)
    – A Mac machine can run both Windows and OS X, therefore if you boot into Windows thought bootcamp, you have DirectX

    Other than, you got yourself a sweet machine there! Congratz! That said, Battlefield 4 is like one of the most demanding games out there. You would need a monster Graphics card and Ram and processor to run that a the highest settings. Your Mac will probably only manage mid settings.

    Let us know how it works man, I’m sure people here will be interested!

  • Fed A

    Hi, i’ve got a white mac 2011 with 8gb of ram and 256 mb of nvidia Geforce Graphics card, now i want to know whether i could play games using wine bottler.

    Ok here’s the deal, i’ve download a pc game, so my plan is to open it up with wine, I’ve done this before with Assasin’s creed revelations and it ran great.
    But this game i’ve downloaded it says that the minimum system requirements are 512 mb of video graphics card, so will i be able to play it with low settings? I don’t care about the high graphics shit, i just want to know if im able to play it…
    Also, does the ram affect the graphics in any way?

    • Chris Tallant

      There’s an app called “GameAgent” that will take a snapshot of your current hardware profile and come back with all the available mac and pc games available (through WINE and bootcamp or VM) and tell you which are on sale or whatever, and even send you email if you want when certain sales for Borderlands or Civ V show up on various sites. Check it out and tell me what you think: https://www.gameagent.com

  • digitalcrow

    On mac you will have the half of performance that you have on windows or linux this is the LAW ! So your graphics card will not be able to give its full capabilities . Macs are expensive for no reason i don’t think mac osx has good performance either in 3d or in general they only reason to get a mac is if you want an alternative os and you need professional apps to run on it.

    • Keegan

      Actually, i run some pretty heavy games on my mid 2013 MacBook Air just fine. This includes Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, and Devil May Cry. Dont knock a Mac man, i used to till i got one.

      • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

        Favorite comment of the week… You know your stuff Keegan 😉

    • Chris Tallant

      Site technical sources or try trolling elsewhere.

      • Samsatus

        Yes, go site someone else’s website.

        • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

          Can’t speak about anything related to Apple without having the haters rant….

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  • Chris Tallant

    It *should* be fine, since I’ve played BF4 on my 15″ non-retina 2012 model…but the 13″ I believe has the standard Intel graphics card.. One thing you can do is on the bootcamp partition, google the site “can I play this” (I think the site is called systemrequirements.com or something close) and you can check out various games with a little java applet that will poll your hardware to tell you if it’ll run or not.

  • alejo

    I tried installing a game called Imperiumao. It worked well (with wine) at the installation but when I opened the game it said there was an error because of something of the software . Is this because it is not compatible or why?

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Whoa, you’re getting something so specific I would need to try the same game with the same wine installation ;S I’m afraid I won’t be able to help you there buddy…

  • Th3taJ

    I love this article, I really do.
    It so much more informative that any information you can Google when looking for ways to run all games on your Mac Desktop. However, I have found that there are so many games available on Mac nowadays that I really don’t need to boot in any other OS.
    I have a PS3, PS4, and 3DS as well so any game that usually isn’t available on the Mac is available on one of my consoleI have a PS3, PS4, and 3DS as well so any game that usually isn’t available on the Mac is available on one of my owever, if it ever occurs that a game is strictly available on PC, I’ll be sure to reference this article to move forward in playing is. Thank you for writing this up and giving us such a good reference to rely on.

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Thanks a lot man, although it probably deserves an update! Was one of my first articles and a little update always helps 😉

  • Cody

    How much space should one partition for bootcamp?

    • Chris Tallant

      Depends how much you want to dedicate to the OS/Games partition. Personally: with a 1 TB drive, I wanted the OS (10GB for core files, swap file, hibernation, drivers, updates, any hidden fluff MS throws in,) and about 30GB for games. But that’s me and I’m always installing/removing stuff around. It comes down to the titles themselves and personal preference.

      • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

        10GB for the OS? Last time I tried Windows 7, it was more like 18GB if my memory serves me right :S

        • Chris Tallant

          You can do a base-slim install, removing all the non-essential stuff like the help files and other things to make it streamline (also by injecting the Apple BootCamp drivers directly into the build image itself saves space, as sad as that sounds…) but there are ways to clean up a windows installation. But you are right, a standard pro install is usually between 16-18GB depending on features.

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Last partition I made was around 70GB and found myself stuck because of not enough space. I even wanted to try out Titanfall but the 30GB needed were too much for me! I would go for 100GB if possible.
      Let me know what you ended up doing and how it worked out!

  • Niall Burke

    I am thinking of buying Windows 7 or Windows 8 for my macbook pro and plan to use it for playing classic PC games such as X-wing fighter collection, TIE fighter, Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, Battlehawks 1942, Stealth fighter 117, Super EF 2000 combat sim games.

    I am not interested in buying latest PC games such as Assaisn Creed, HALO, witcher, etc ‘cos I have these games for my xbox 360 & PSX3.

    There is a ebay shop offering these games formatted in Click XP Vista Windows 7 & 8 install CD disks.

    I am unsure which method would be most suitable to allow me to play classic PC games.

    please advise me

    thanks

    • Chris Tallant

      Niall, Older games (for me, anyway) I have on Steam, GOG, or other similar sites (Origin for EA tittles). I’m still not a big fan of Windows 8.1, even though I dual boot it on my MBP, but since I’m going through the MCSE courses I have to run it (and the instructor’s face when I pull out a MacBook is priceless) but I still say Win 7 would be preferable for the time being on the BootCamp option. The TouchPad/MagicMouse is wonky at best for gaming, so grab a new/cheap/alternative mouse option as well. But for the games themselves, don’t worry about finding the physical media – especially if you’re planning on buying them retail instead of have them in a box under the bed or something. GOG has TONS of older games, and Steam improves every day on their OSX titles.

      • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

        I have the second that GOG.com is a great place to find some older classics. They offer Mac versions and the whole process works as a charm!

  • Gabe Egan

    Hey Mac Gamer Ric,
    I just downloaded Call of Duty and Call of Duty United Offensive off Amazon. It seems as though both are not compatible with OS x 10.7 or later. I am currently running OS X 10.9.3., do you know of any round about way in which I could get the game to run? Thanks in advance

    • Blasterdude

      No sorry, you cannot make any non compatible games compatible. Thats why when you’re looking to buy something always check the system requirements for the game before buying or downloading the game. As mentioned above, you could always use boot camp or virtual machines to run window softwares (.exe). But if you always want to play games on the mac without using any type of virtual machine then also mentioned above, use Wineskin. As Wineskin may lag a lot but it can make a lot of windows games to work on a mac. Also try Wine bottler and CXE while they are made by the same company but are a bit harder to use and does lag. Or use Cider (made by TransGaming Inc.) which is way more advance than Wine but doesn’t lag (only lags on very few games) and have the best gaming experience as possible. One last thing, as many games made by Aspyr they are just advanced ports of the windows games ported to the mac which they also create an extension themselves to make the game work but copying and rewriting the .exe and the data files to make the extension.

      • mikelyons

        I am guessing that what is involved in porting a game from one operating system to another is not something you have a lot of familiarity with from what I just read. It isn’t a simple process and a native port is a native OS X app just like a port of a Playstation or Xbox game to Windows results in a native Windows app and that process isn’t a simple one either. Nothing is trivial when it comes to writing software.

  • Ye olde Brit

    I have 2014 MacBook Pro top of the line with max configured. I used BootCamp for 5 years already and have some experience. This article is not entirely correct. You DO have drawbacks when using WIndows OS partition and your mac does NOT run with full potential. To test this I installed COD: Modern warfare game on both Yosemite and Windows 7, official versions. MacOS version runs better in terms of FPS. It appears that WIndows 7 does not fully use RAM, not sure why (if anyone knows, I am glad to listen) and discrete graphics card. When using Win 7 on battery, it drains up to 3 TIMES faster than on Mac, fans overclock a lot and make noise. MacBooks have this “boost up to 3,5 GHz or above” feature for processor cores, and Win7 does not use it efficiently AT ALL. Technically, any same hardware with native win7 will perform better than exactly same hardware MacBook running BootCamp. So, there you go. You can still play PC games on MacBook, but expect LOW battery life, huge temperature rise and fan overclock noise.

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      Interesting comparison. Theoretically, a MacBook running Windows natively should be on par with any equivalent PC from HP or whatever – performance wise. Obviously, if some drivers are crappy on the Macbook (thinking about the graphics drivers for example), than yeah, results won’t be as good… First time I hear about a case like this one, but it does make sense.
      I would still recommend Bootcamp to play games not available on OS X (compared to Parallels for example).

      • Ye olde Brit

        :)

        • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

          Come on, don’t be shy! :)

    • Chris Tallant

      Hey Bud.. Out of curiosity, why did you load Windows 7 (+- = 6 years old) on a 2014 Retina MBP? You mention memory leaks, which occur quite a bit on a macbook with dedicated video memory built into the APU of the Intel chipset. The “Turbo” feature you mention (assuming this is the “top of the line” model, which would be the quad-core i7-but didn’t mention screen size. The 13″ options only offer the i7 with the 3.0 (Haswell 4867u chip) which Windows 8.1 would benefit from – and was never designed with Win7 in mind.
      However, the 15″ MBP has TWO video cards – the shitty Intel IRIS chipset with a dedicated gaming card built on the same system board: a shiny Nvidia 750M with 2GB of dedicated (not shared) video memory.

      From what you’re describing – you have the 13″ model. Windows 7 can see the 750M chipset and load drivers using Nvidia’s software (and even customize and tweak settings) with the best of them – but the 13″ experiences the problems you’ve described.

      Battery life is going to be crap on any laptop playing a game – period. I was amazed when I got an hour out of World of Warcraft on a MacBook Air (2014) compared with a 13″ Dell XPS lightweight (similar battery -6-cell structure) only holding power for 40 minutes. Mind you, both of these laptops are rated for 8 hours and THAT’s a lie.

      As for heat, it happens on every – single – stupid – game that runs on my dedicated card, and with my macbook airs – anything I throw at it that uses more than 60% resources turns the bottom of the laptop into an instant castration machine. But in all seriousness, it happens on every laptop (Asus Republic of Gamers 17″ i7 with a 780gt graphics card? Might as well cook bacon on the damn thing.) and every desktop in this house.

      The other quirk is the game of CoD:MW itself.. If it’s grabbed from the App Store, then it’s going to run like ass on the Windows side – and if it’s grabbed from Steam – it’s likely a wrapper and runs like ass on the OS X side.. so there’s no happy medium with a handful of ported games.

      On the plus side, Steam now offers hundreds of options for games. Origins offers – well, Sims.

      But it all comes down to the screen size of the laptop and the dedicated graphics card. There isn’t a laptop smaller than 15″ with a dedicated GPU.

      • Ye olde Brit

        Hi, thanks for replying!
        Wrong guess, I have 15″ version :) why I prefer Win7? Because by the time I was going to install windows partition I had 2 options – win7 or win8 (NOT 8.1) and win 8 was terrible. 2014 MacBooks maybe designed to run win8.1 better than 7 but I prefer 7 and see no performance advantages by choosing 8 (My friend has it).
        I agree with 100% of what you said about overheating and battery life. I am looking to play GTA5 on bootcamp when it comes, not sure should I play on MpB2014 bootcamp with win7, or delete it and install win8.1 and play on it, or sell macbook and buy some relatively same priced and not ugly notebook and play in that …

        • Chris Tallant

          I’d recommend 8.1 for GTAV, and the reason is this: I did the same thing with my 2012 non-retina MBP (because of the 650GT) to run Titanfall since it was “supposed” to have an OS X release but sadly, no dice. But since I wanted to play it, I did. Overheating abundance, but windows 7 ran at a paultry 10fps. Simply upgrading that partition to 8.1 made it jump (same hardware) to 25-30… But I also installed the dev nvidia drivers for 8.1 instead of the Microsoft pre-built win7 drivers.. The other thing is 8.1 is a true 64-bit system similar to OS X, unlike the Windows 7 emulation.. But yes, make sure the dedicated card goes through Windows and not the Intel bit.. that will make ALL the world of difference.

          • Ye olde Brit

            Thanks for advice! I own official Win7 disc, and I think 8.1 won’t be a free upgrade. Win10 is but that wont come soon and who knows how will that perform on MBPros. Yea, I’ll do Win8.1, but hopefully dont need to buy again.

          • Chris Tallant

            Why not jump to the tech preview of Windows 10? It’s free, it works quite well right now since it’s very close to 8.1 minus the giant metro screen (it’s closer in production to the Win7 Start Menu) and it’s actually free for now. But it works quite well since the foundation is 8.1

          • Ye olde Brit

            Install tech preview win10 via bootcamp? how about after it becomes “not free”, I am assuming I have to pay to continue using it.

      • mikelyons

        I can’t comment on any of the MacBook stuff since I play on an iMac but I noted some erroneous info about CoD:MW I thought is worth mentioning to you guys. The one and only retail Mac OS X version of the game is a native port done by Aspyr. So whether you buy it on the Mac App Store or Steam you are getting that native version. The same goes with CoD 1, CoD 2, CoD: MW2, CoD: MW3 and Black Ops. They are all native ports by Aspyr and available at both of those stores.

        You mentioned something about if you get the Mac App store version and run it on Windows, etc. Maybe I misunderstood you somehow but that isn’t possible. Nothing we buy on the MAS runs on Windows. It is all 100% Mac OS X software.

        My experience running Windows games via bootcamp using Windows 7 on a 2011 iMac was that it seemed to consistently run hotter than any game I’d play on OS X. I can only guess that perhaps some DirectX features were pushing the GPU harder than an OpenGL implementation on OS X but I’ve never done any game programming so I wouldn’t know with any certainty. It’s possible too that there are differences in CPU usage between the operating systems on a per game basis I would think but maybe I am wrong about that. I suppose it is even possible some of it might be related to differences in OS X and the bootcamp drivers Apple provides for a Windows bootcamp install, I am thinking of the motherboard, fan control, etc. here as well as GPU, etc.

        I have a late-2013 27″ iMac now and while I did setup bootcamp with Windows 7 because that’s what I have a license for and I wanted nothing to do with any form of Windows 8, I’ve yet to bother rebooting to play a game. I have plenty to play in OS X now. Sometimes I think I should just delete the partition and reclaim the space and let go of my old Windows games. I don’t buy games for Windows anymore so maybe it’s time for a clean break but I kinda hate to repurchase stuff for PS3 like the Mass Effect trilogy I haven’t gotten around to when I own the Windows versions. I converted to Mac 3 years ago thus a backlog of Windows games from Steam, etc. that I’m hesitant to toss but I go back and forth about that.

        Otherwise, I really don’t care about Windows anymore. I don’t care about the upcoming Windows 10 or DirectX 12, etc. It’s irrelevant to me. If I want to play something like Dragon Age Inquisition, I can do it on a Playstation.

  • Chris Tallant

    *cough* Elder Scrolls Online is now free to play.. pass it on.

    • mikelyons

      A single player RPG and an MMO are two different animals even when they are based on the same franchise world.

  • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

    Man, now that I mostly use my MacBook Air, finding the extra space for Bootcamp is just impossible… I can’t say that I miss it though!

  • http://www.bordeauxgroup.com/ Tom

    CodeWeavers CrossOver Mac is another option. You can get s 25% discount if you use promo code. ( WEAVEME ) in CodeWeavers online store.

    • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

      What is your experience regarding performance? Do you lose a ton of frames per second compared to Parallels or the like?

      • mikelyons

        Generally speaking Ric, I would expect better performance using Wine, be it from CodeWeavers Crossover or Wineskin. In my mind the greatest benefit of buying into CodeWeavers is if you can afford it and feel so inclined, it is a nice way to support continuing development of Wine. Last I knew, CodeWeavers implementation of Wine uses a system of bottles all sharing a particular CodeWeavers Wine version install. There may be some flexibility there now but I have read stories of updates to it breaking stuff users had setup which previously worked on the former version, etc. This is a non-issue with Wineskin which encapsulates a specific version of Wine you choose when setting up a given game into its own .app file which looks and behaves just like any other Mac app. Personally, I prefer this approach. I doubt either one is any easier or more difficult to use than the other ultimately because you still need to install the game with whichever one you are using and then make tweaks if it doesn’t run out of the box which on a good day can be found by perusing WineHQ’s AppDB page and search for the game by name.

        Wine basically translates Windows API calls to Mac API calls on the fly whereas Parallels establishes a virtual machine environment into which Windows itself is installed as you know and there is substantially more overhead involved there I would expect. I have used both solutions and that’s been my experience but I should add I game more on OS X than anything else so you can take that with a little grain of salt. I think generally speaking I am correct about this though. I’d expect a Wine app with Wineskin to normally run faster than the same game running in Windows on Parallels if the game works with Wineskin.

        I’ve spent a good deal of time with Wineskin and created apps for Morrowind, Fallout 3, Oblivion, Fallout NV, Skyrim with it. These are all reported to work on Wine’s AppDB and seem to here in limited testing of each one. I did need to do some fooling around but nothing major. It was not difficult once i became familiar with Wineskin. I’ll leave the jury out on these though until I get around to play them all the way through. It does seem though that I should be fine with them and they run well. Other games I ported with this include Neverwinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, Soldier of Fortune 2, Star Trek Voyager Elite Force, Star Trek Elite Force 2, Supreme Commander, StarCraft, Diablo, Diablo II and Warcraft III. They all seem to be working fine in limited testing as well.

        Games I spent significant time playing that I setup with Wineskin and which I have had excellent results with include EverQuest, Halo, Nation Red and Orcs Must Die. None of those is particularly demanding but they did all run very well. Currently I’m spending a little time with Guild Wars where I have some baby toons I never got around to and that works perfectly on high settings and resolution. It too is an older game of course but it still looks really nice with everything turned up and runs very well.

        Sorry, I kinda wandered well off topic there but I wanted to toss in my positive experiences with Wine although mine are based on using Wineskin. I do like how each game with everything it needs to run is encapsulated within an .app that I can assign a pretty icon to (easy to find with Google images) and each can have whatever version of Wine is ideal for that particular game which helps in cases where that does matter. Once something is working well, it won’t get broken by some undesired update on me which is goodness.

        doh123 has done the Mac gaming community quite a service by creating, sharing and supporting Wineskin for our use for free.

        By the way, many Mac games from GOG, basically any of the classic older titles such as the infinity engine games, are all setup by them with Wineskin. I installed Planescape Torment the other day. It was done with Wineskin. They do a nice job on those.

        By the way, it occurs to me I am probably telling you some stuff you already know well in my rambling on. Don’t mind me.

        • http://www.bordeauxgroup.com/ Tom

          I am also a bit biased towards Mike Kronenberg ( WineBottler ) that has been around allot longer then WineSkin has more features written by a actual expert programmer and not a hack hiding behind a 1990’s handle..

          With that said, supporting CodeWeavers supports Wine, WineSkin, and WineBottler for Mac

          There is another review, comparison. :)

          • mikelyons

            Thank you for bringing up WineBottler. I am surprised I’ve not heard of it before but what do I know? I went and found Mike Kronenberg’s site and it does look nice. I see you can go either way in terms of running off a single wine.app rather than having wine in each app you setup or you can build it in. Flexibility is always good. It might work well to rely on a single wine.app and only build it in if you run into something needing a specific version which in my own case has not been very often but it certainly can be handy at times. I like that. The UI is nice looking as well. I downloaded it to give it a test run. I will be interested to see primarily how many games it already knows about and can automagically just setup via scripts. That is something sorely lacking in Wineskin. You probably know who Paul the Tall is. I never bothered with his stuff personally which came across to me as being more about quantity of titles than quality results for each one. That’s just my take after reading his notes on what is acceptable or not for a game which does not alway meet my standards personally. In any case, I’ve heard he’s now created some kind of auto-installation app as well that focuses on GOG titles I guess. I think he was using Wineskin formerly for his wrappers and maybe he still is too. Maybe he made a front end to Wineskin? That just made me laugh but hey, maybe it works. I haven’t bothered to look at it yet. I probably will at some point though. I downloaded PlayonMac to see how that works but haven’t done anything with it yet. I only cared about the supported game installs for that. If they work, great. If not, oh well. Anyway, I will certainly give WineBottler a test run as it looks promising to me.

            So thanks again for pointing that out. As for the “not a hack hiding behind a 1990’s handle” remark I am curious about why you said that. I mean Wineskin does deliver the goods in its basic way and it sure beats the CLI, you know? Although in fairness I hadn’t tried anything else either. I just found it worked well for me so good enough. If another tool can get the job done better with less work better still I am all for that.

            So I hope you’ll indulge me here and share what it is that makes you unhappy with doh123 in specific terms hopefully. Enquiring minds want to know! (remember that ad?) I was raising a family in the 90s and pretty busy pursuing a computer science degree nights while working full time 50 hours a week or so for a long time. So, I hope you’ll cut me some slack for having no idea what the 1990’s handle thing is about but I’d like to know. Did she pee on your Wheaties one morning or something? 😉

          • http://www.bordeauxgroup.com/ Tom

            I didn’t mean anything malice about my comment, I just prefer dealing with people who use their real name and not a handle. Sorry if it was taken in a bad way.

            Yes, I’m aware of PaulTheTall and PlayOnMac, and from my understanding Paul uses WineSkin as his foundation.

            The promo code, add… Is given because I’ve had a association with Wine and CodeWeavers for 13 years now, if you grep the Wine change log, source you can see my contributions in the past.

            I used to but No longer maintain the help guides, wines status page etc etc.

            If you Google you can find my old benchmarks, comparing wine’s performance on Linux and BSD.. I believe my old OpnenGL video is still on YouTube. :)

            I was actually looking at the OpenGL thunks code last night, maybe time to regenerate the thunk code and version.

            Cheers!

          • mikelyons

            Well, first and foremost here I want to thank you for all the work you contributed to Wine over so many years. So many of us benefit from the shared efforts of all those who make the Wine project what it is. I started using Wine many years ago when I ran Linux at home exclusively for a time. I didn’t find it difficult to use because it isn’t but you can see how I’d appreciate a nice front end tool for it just the same.

            I did download PaulTheTall’s app last night and had a look. I felt bad about my earlier comment really. I am too critical sometimes. He is a little more accepting of flaws in the interest of still playing something than I am but I shouldn’t knock him for it. He’s done a lot for people on his own time which is very nice of him. His app is being developed by a partner working with him. It basically serves up preconfigured Wineskin wrappers so Paul is still using Wineskin exclusively I think although he did a nice bit about CodeWeavers on his site. Apparently he contributes there too making crossties for games.

            His wrapper serving app offered a lot of game wrappers all good to go with notes if the user needed to do or consider anything for a particular game. I didn’t try any of them yet but he has a lot of my GOG library covered and even some Steam titles now which I don’t recall him supporting before such as Age of Empires II HD release on Steam. The client app is a work in progress with placeholders for future features of voting for apps, similar to the porting team’s system noting compatibility per GPU type of a given wrapper and some kind of community thing I forget what it was now, maybe a forums system or something built into it. I forget. I was mostly interested in the pre-cooked setups myself just to save me time.

            I see nothing wrong at all with promoting CodeWeavers everywhere personally. Paul does it himself on his site with his own promo code bearing his name.

          • http://www.bordeauxgroup.com/ Tom

            Your welcome, Yes his code is only valid for Mac, my code is valid for Mac and Linux purchases.

            The gist of this thread is CodeWeavers employees most of the Wine developers, by supporting them your supporting Wine and these other free projects are available.

            Thanks, Mike for the lovely conversation.

            Cheers

          • mikelyons

            Thanks Tom. I enjoyed talking with you too.

          • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

            Thanks for all the insight Tom, BTW, I will be sending an email to you during the day 😉

        • http://macgamerhq.com/ Mac Gamer Ric

          No worries man, very interesting feedback. If you ever decide to do some benchmarks, let me know, we’re secretly working on something! 😉

      • http://www.bordeauxgroup.com/ Tom

        Native games on windows written in OpenGl normally run as fast if not faster under CrossOver then on Windows. Steam in the past has had performance issues with games such as Half-life and the game runs noticeably faster under CrossOver.

        DirectX API calls to OpenGl calls are a bit more tricky, some games actually run faster while other games run slower. It depends on the game, original version of DirectX it was written with. DirectX 7 games run as fast for me, DX 8,9 slower, DX 10,11 won’t play but allot of DX 10,11 games have a DirextX 9 mode with less spectacular graphics, but none the less they can be played.

        CodeWeavers has a free trial version, so nothing to loose by trying out the trail for a couple weeks.

        Actually you could try out the demo of CrossOver Mac, write a review, pass on the 25% off promo code. ( WEAVEME ) have some fun all in one shot. :)

  • mikelyons

    Well, Wineskin uses both standard Mac Wine releases (stable and dev) and you can choose at setup whichever one you want to use. Additionally, the CodeWeavers Wine implementations are available to use in Wineskin as well. I tried to Google for CXE and the links to it on the porting team site were dead. The tutorials were years old. It doesn’t seem to exist anymore. From what I could tell though, it was just a front end to simplify using Wine which is what Wineskin also is along with PlayonMac. Paul The Tall apparently has recently released something like this too that uses Wine but has presets for many games, particularly GOG games from what I read. I haven’t checked it out yet. In any case, none of this stuff would be superior to Wineskin. There is a chance that in certain cases Cider may work where Wine and therefore Wineskin wouldn’t but my guess is these are probably fairly limited in number. Cider is generally tuned on a per release basis for particular games and paid for by commercial publishers to quickly and less expensively create Mac ports of their games. There is no legal Cider download although people do steal it from existing Cider titles and reuse it to port various games with. Cider is a proprietary product that is based largely on Wine modified by Transgaming with proprietary code and sold to the likes of EA, Ubisoft, etc. for various Mac versions of their games such as Spore, Dragon Age and Dragon Age II, Max Payne 3, Guild Wars 2, etc.

    Wineskin is just as effective for running games that will run on Wine as any other setup tool is. The only exception would be Cider could have some uses given the proprietary code it contains. I am kind of surprised those guys don’t implement some form of DRM to marry it to each game it is used on commercially but that’s their problem I guess. Maybe they like people using it for other stuff even though they don’t support it as it may serve to provide free advertising in a way and promote user acceptance of commercial ports that utilize it.

  • Okay

    Bootcamp.